This is part II of a guest post by British investor ‘Pete’. Read part I first.
The number P2P / P2B platforms in the UK has increased quite quickly over the past few years and I have currently settled on 3 further UK platforms that suit my needs and I strongly believe will be with us long term. In saying this I am not in possession of any privileged information and I am not by inference making any adverse comment about other platforms.
In alphabetical order
One of the new platforms (launched July 2014) that I have chosen to invest in and so far I have had a very positive experience. Specialising in secured Aircraft leasing and Plant and Machinery I have had the chance to diversify into a market that I knew little about before I started on my ‘due diligence’. The market may be new to me but there is a wealth of responsive experience behind Ablrate and coupled with a website update and promised increasing flow of loans I anticipate that my exposure with Ablrate will continue to grow. One interesting ‘innovation’ available on certain loans is ‘Instant Returns’. With long draw down times on some loans the potential for ‘dead money’ is large, instant returns circumvents this issue.
I have been investing with Assetz Capital since the second quarter of 2013 and have built up a diversified £ five digit portfolio of secured loans which continues to grow1. As with Ablrate there is a good, responsive and experienced team behind the web site, something that has become more than apparent when dealing with the occasional distressed loans that we must all expect when investing. Assetz Capital have big plans for expansion (they have already grown considerably since I started investing) and a relatively recent change to the way loan parts are bought has removed a very large percentage of the ‘dead money’ scenario that many of us early adopters experienced, not universally liked, I for one view it as a very positive move that has helped to push up my return on investment. I look forward to new opportunities this year.
1 I do not invest by choice in the provision fund protected ‘Green Energy Income Account’ preferring to take on the risk in return for a slightly higher returns.
Again I was one of the early adopters and took advantage of some very attractive introductory rates that were offered. The loan and repayment terms suited my needs perfectly for tax planning purposes. Since then the rates have unsurprisingly been lowered and whilst Wellesley & Co have expanded rapidly and their range of investments on offer has expanded I find myself already invested in those areas with other platforms so I am running full term with my current investments whilst keeping an eye open on what is on offer.
I also invest in one non UK platform, Bondora. This would probably be regarded as the ‘odd one out’ in my list of platforms. Far more volatile than the other platforms that I invest in Bondora has expanded rapidly since I started investing in the second quarter of 2013. I have experienced several changes to the platform, some which I have liked and several that I have not. I have experienced new markets being opened up and some eye watering rates of default in these new markets. That said and in spite of the treatment of defaults by the UK tax man and the strengthening of the Pound against the Euro (@16% since I started investing) my return after tax has remained positive. I spend more time on this relatively small percentage of my total investments to keep the returns positive than I do on any of the others.
I have countered the lack of an interest statement from Bondora (required by the UK tax man) by producing an automated spreadsheet that takes payments, the daily exchange rate, performs the conversion on interest received and then separates out the country of origin of the monies be that Estonia, Finland, Spain or Slovakia. Whilst not directly of use to increasing my returns this spreadsheet has increased my knowledge of Excel and currently covers more than 183,500 lines!
As I wrote earlier I do have a love of spreadsheets but with a large portfolio of loans I believe this is the only way to manage the various investments. By having every payment logged (currently up to 2020) I find it a simple task to extract cash flows so that I can move cash between platforms as new opportunities arise without compromising the levels of risk and diversity that I aim to maintain. This process also minimises ‘dead time’ for my money, each day that money isn’t lent out it isn’t earning so I keep this time to a minimum.
Having this data to hand also assists in predicting end of year Tax bills and where necessary I can adjust my investments to suit my personal tax allowances.
So I have a single spreadsheet for each platform (some much larger than others) and one that ties all the investments together.
Checking loans, companies and maintaining spreadsheets does take time but my personal view is that it is essential if you want to minimise losses and maximise return especially if you have a large portfolio of loans. I have loan parts in over 3,000 current loans, (some large investments some very small) and I probably spend 15 hours a week actively managing them. If I am researching new loans this time can increase!
So has it worked for me? Having started lending in a very cautious and questioning manner I have seen my investments with all the platforms that I have used increase. In 2012 with a small investment my IXRR return was just over 5% on a GBP four digit sum. My current position is GBP 7.9% (weighted % after losses but pre tax) on a GBP six digit sum. I am more than happy with this, since I believe I have a reasonable balance between lower interest ‘safe’ loans and higher rate loans.
Oh yes, my Ratesetter account continues to grow, it is now in six digits. One reviewer called Ratesetter ‘boring’, I have had it confirmed this is a badge worn with pride at Ratesetter. If being effective is ‘boring’ long may it stay that way!
Hi Pete, It was really insightful to read through your review of the different platforms. May I invite you to try rebuildingsociety.com – you can see how a community forms around the discussion forums on each loan and since we are relatively new you may find our rates to be competitive with other platforms.
It would be great to get your feedback & insights.
Thanks
Dan
You are already on my list of sites to look at!
As always, time has been short in the past few years due to pressures of the ‘day job’ but I always make some available for new opportunities.
I enjoyed Part One and was looking forward to reading in more detail about the platforms you chose. But you’ve written about four different platforms this time. I suppose that to meet your needs you have had to open accounts with seven different platforms – which you are now cutting down to five – but I don’t get why you couldn’t diversify your portfolio within platforms.
Are you going to write a Part Three, where you talk about how you select your investments and decide when to get in and out of individual loans? It sounds like the choice of loans on each platform isn’t varied enough for you, if you’re having to spread your portfolio across so many of them. If that’s the conclusion you’ve come to, I’d like to hear more details.
Gordon
Sorry if I didn’t make the points clear but I am well diversified within each of the platforms that I am currently investing in. Each platform has it’s own ‘niche’ which means using multiple platforms is almost a necessity if you want to diversify over different areas*. In total I hold over 3000 loan parts across my current platforms covering
‘protected’ personal / business loans
non secured personal loans
non secured business loans**
asset secured business loans
If you split the business loans down further you will see everything from funeral directors to motorcycle traders (I’m a keen motorcyclist!)
Projects from building developments through wind turbines to anaerobic digesters!
…. and then there are the aircraft loans.
I could always write a ‘Part 3’ along the lines you suggested but publication is obviously up to ‘wiseclerk’ who owns and runs this site.
* I view diversification across platforms as another simple way of risk reduction.
**where the asset is more intangible than for example a property that can be sold.